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Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Majki - 06-09-2012
I have downloaded source maps from GIT of Afterslime and Solarium - no hint brushes.
Why there are no hints there?
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Maddin - 06-09-2012
Because some mappers are too lazy to place them... -_-ยด
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Cortez666 - 06-09-2012
they can be contra productive, if the performance is fine i wouldnt place them.
There are more serious problems then this!
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Maddin - 06-09-2012
Solarium still needs a better performance so... yeah.
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Majki - 06-09-2012
Quote:they can be contra productive, if the performance is fine i wouldnt place them.
How you measure performance in a map Cortez?
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - CuBe0wL - 06-09-2012
Mostly by FPS, visible triangles, faces etc. There are developer tools to do this ingame.
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Majki - 06-09-2012
In UrT we have r_speeds tool. We know approx. capacity of engine in polygons so mappers can adjust maps easily.
I'm surpised that Xonotic maps are not optimized in terms of performance. I noticed that most of the custom maps have terrible performance, but stock maps supposed to be "perfect".
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Cortez666 - 06-09-2012
r_speeds works in xonotic too
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Majki - 06-09-2012
Quote:r_speeds works in xonotic too
Tops values after which engine get choked are...?
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - CuBe0wL - 06-09-2012
It's not that easy. Truly a lot depends on the machine you run, the binary, OS, a lot of things. Also, Darkplaces can render gazillion polygons easily. Problem comes when it needs to animate them.
On this regard, hinting is rather important for the anti wallhack aspect of vis, not performance.
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - hutty - 06-09-2012
Its also a matter of many mappers just don't know how to properly do hinting ... (me) ...
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - poVoq - 06-10-2012
http://tremmapping.pbworks.com/w/page/22453205/Understanding%20Vis%20and%20Hint%20Brushes
Good tutorial
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Majki - 06-10-2012
Better, completetly different approach to subject:
http://www.custommapmakers.org/wiki/index.php/Hinting_NuIL_method
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Majki - 06-12-2012
Do Hints work in Darkplaces in the same way as in idtech3?
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - CuBe0wL - 06-12-2012
Yes, they do. For properly hinted maps, check Darkzone or Lightspeed.
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Maddin - 06-12-2012
Though there are many ways to "hint" your map. Compare my map Bio Lab (link in signature) with the maps C.Brutail mentioned.
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Majki - 06-12-2012
Where I can find .map for Bio Lab? It's not in .pk3 and I don't want to decompile your work
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Morphed - 06-15-2012
Hints are not mandatory, if map have vis friendly layout then there is no need to place them. Its hard to give max polygon count, because there are different kind of polygons, some have complicated shaders, some are transparent, some are from dynamic meshes, each one have different rendering speed.
RE: Are maps in Xonotic hinted? - Majki - 06-15-2012
Quote:Hints are not mandatory, if map have vis friendly layout then there is no need to place them.
So I guess vast majority of Xonotic maps is "VIS friendly"