02-19-2012, 09:35 AM
First of all: Overkill is an interesting mod, and should exist and be played.
The real issue is that we do not have enough players.
Now put yourself into the position of someone who actually likes Xonotic. They open server list, click on the only populated server, notice "oh no, this is not Xonotic", and go away and complain. Quite many people have been in this position before, and got annoyed, then complained - and this is exactly what set tZork off.
So basically... this seems like it asks the question, we can EITHER have Overkill, OR have Xonotic. There is not enough players for both. And yes, MinstaGib caused the same issues before, especially in Nexuiz times - it just seemed less of a problem because there is nobody one can direct "MinstaGib hate" to, while Overkill clearly has people who are responsible for it.
It also doesn't help that many who DO like Xonotic, and not Overkill, don't play on public server but only private and pickup games. All this together made Overkill seem like the culprit of destroying the Xonotic these players like, and directed the complaints to tZork.
It is simply not possible to make a game style everyone can enjoy. Overkill is for one group. Xonotic is for another group. The issue is that only one group ever can have the game they want, due to not enough active players on public servers.
So, the solution should be:
The real issue is that we do not have enough players.
Now put yourself into the position of someone who actually likes Xonotic. They open server list, click on the only populated server, notice "oh no, this is not Xonotic", and go away and complain. Quite many people have been in this position before, and got annoyed, then complained - and this is exactly what set tZork off.
So basically... this seems like it asks the question, we can EITHER have Overkill, OR have Xonotic. There is not enough players for both. And yes, MinstaGib caused the same issues before, especially in Nexuiz times - it just seemed less of a problem because there is nobody one can direct "MinstaGib hate" to, while Overkill clearly has people who are responsible for it.
It also doesn't help that many who DO like Xonotic, and not Overkill, don't play on public server but only private and pickup games. All this together made Overkill seem like the culprit of destroying the Xonotic these players like, and directed the complaints to tZork.
It is simply not possible to make a game style everyone can enjoy. Overkill is for one group. Xonotic is for another group. The issue is that only one group ever can have the game they want, due to not enough active players on public servers.
So, the solution should be:
- Bring the overkill server back
- Make the private/pickup players play public again
- Make it clearer that Overkill servers are running a mod, e.g. by server browser icons
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