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RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - Mario - 12-14-2014
IRON MAN cup? Sounds like a very... "Stark" name.
Puns aside, hope this goes well, it certainly is an interesting idea.
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - machine! - 12-14-2014
I think iron man is a pun on iron man marathon.
(12-14-2014, 04:43 AM)JoeMaro Wrote: So what are the 2 most representative and played duel maps on Xon?
Stormkeep and (sadly) hub-aerowalk. If you don't want to include hub (which I hope) there are a few options: fuse, downer, finalrage, silent siege, warfare (hope I didn't miss one). I would recommend fuse, a lot of people like it, though my biased opinion leans towards final rage.
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - JoeMaro - 12-14-2014
QuakeWorld will propably put aerowalk so i guess its better to not put it in xonotic's mappool
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - Smilecythe - 12-14-2014
Stormkeep and Final Rage are more of a Nexuiz thing, downer is a remix too but it's 70% different from the original, Warfare is some old unknown Quakeworld custom map which looks agreeably prettier in Xonotic.
On Machine's list only Fuse and Silentsiege are original well balanced Xonotic duel maps. I'd go with Fuse, Stormkeep and Silentsiege in this exact order of opinion based priority, so if it's just two then Fuse and Stormkeep.
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - machine! - 12-14-2014
Well, I count Nexuiz Classic originals as Xonotic originals.
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - Halogene - 12-14-2014
With the response being as it is in Xonotic and over at Warsow as far as I can see, I believe we'd be better off for a start (!) with making it a free for all deathmatch session with a couple of matches per game on a given date, and calculate overall rankings among the people that participated in all matches afterwards. We might get enough players to fill a deathmatch server and after all in deathmatch it's far less about map knowledge and physics exploits than in duel, where a "home bonus" will easily result in total domination (I couldn't even IMAGINE myself scoring a frag against anyone at least half way competitive in quakeworld on hub). I think such a tournament would be far easier to pull off and would also be more attractive to players, since chances are you can actually score at least some frags in a deathmatch if you have some solid basic fps skills.
Team based competition sounds sort of cool, but then again I fear it would rather deepen the divide between player communities in the end. Obviously we'd mostly have teams coming entirely from ONE game community, which means we'd then have direct rivalries between the game communities. And I don't trust in the spirit of sportsmanship to prevent conflicts resulting from these rivalries. IMHO team based competition would ONLY make sense if we would build up teams consisting of players from each game community, but how to set THAT up reliably?
If we are going to make it a duel cup despite the concerns I raised above, I'd vote for Fuse, Stormkeep and SilentSiege as map pool, agree to Smilecythe here.
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - JoeMaro - 12-14-2014
Ok nice! Thanks Guys!
Anybody very much against Fuse & Stormkeep speak now ...
@Halogene: read your post after posting myself
yes i also like the idea and dont really know yet what to think about it ... lets talk these days on IRC
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - Halogene - 12-14-2014
Also a FFA deathmatch session would probably be suited better to "get to know" players that one has never seen before - it feels easier for most to make a first contact if you are not dominated/raped in your first encounter.
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - JoeMaro - 12-15-2014
we could also use the FFA results to rate/seed the players for a duel cup no?
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - Halogene - 12-15-2014
If and to the extent the participants of the Duel cup also participated in the FFA deathmatch cup, yes. I think such a deathmatch feast would be a good test run to see if people actually pick up on the idea in general.
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - kojn^ - 12-15-2014
I would be against fuse and silentsiege.
Your better off putting stormkeep and downer in, silentsiege did not make it to the reversion duel cup and it isnt greatly liked by a lot of players.
I would say Stormkeep, downer and final_rage (with choosing between either of the last two as the second map).
Also FFA would make sense, if it was to be for example 2v2tdm that would be ok also but it would be better to mix n match competitors from different games or it will just as Halogene said turn into a rape fest for peoples favoured game.
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - Halogene - 12-15-2014
I see no issues with silentsiege's gameplay, would be interesting to hear what actually is bad about it apart from reversion people preferring other maps. Aren't both downer and final_rage remakes of some classic maps from another game? I'd use the opportunity to showcase good original Xonotic maps or at least good original Nexuiz maps inherited by Xonotic. Fuse for example is an excellent duel map with a lot of vertical action (which fits perfectly with Xonotic's movement).
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - homs - 12-15-2014
I love the idea. Looked only quickly over the details in the replies, but I think the thought of bringing together the different game communities is a splendid idea..
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - JoeMaro - 12-15-2014
+1 on "native" xonotic maps that ship with the download
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - Smilecythe - 12-15-2014
(12-15-2014, 05:45 AM)kojn^ Wrote: I would be against fuse and silentsiege.Maps where you get asskicked in.
(12-15-2014, 05:45 AM)kojn^ Wrote: silentsiege did not make it to the reversion duel cup and it isnt greatly liked by a lot of playersYou hosted the cup and well.. ugh it's certainly more liked than Fe26.
(12-15-2014, 05:45 AM)kojn^ Wrote: I would say Stormkeep, downer and final_rage (with choosing between either of the last two as the second map).All your favorite maps
gg
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - asyyy - 12-15-2014
Quote:it's certainly more liked than Fe26.
Quote:Maps where you get asskicked in.
Quote:gg
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - machine! - 12-16-2014
Not that your suggestions were less biased Smileycythe, I would say go with Stormkeep and fuse, they are both popular and repreasentive.
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - JoeMaro - 12-21-2014
Today there is a duel cup happening on warsow. Will put the stream later ... On mobile now
Stream will be by Jehar and Inane @ tastyspleen.tv - URL: http://tastyspleen.tv/
btw: IronMan-Cup Homepage with a bit of Guides it running at http://ironmanduelcup.wordpress.com/welcome/
missing a xonotic guide ... hoping for halogene?
RE: IRON MAN Cup Idea - work in progress - JoeMaro - 02-03-2015
6 weeks later:
i still love the idea but dont have the experience to admin this thing alone
But there is no need to rush ... for now the idea is out here and we'll see what happens!
HF!