Quote:Basically, what I mean is that we shouldn't have two sniper rifles (however, don't break maps that have nex as a sniper rifle if we will reorient it).

(08-14-2010, 04:19 PM)booo Wrote: So , what's my suggestion for the nex? make it consume ammo times 3 , so that you maybe can only shoot 3 shots per pickup, or 2. everything else the same. kinda like the minstanex. this way, flickshots/spamnexshots can be avoided , and campers/snipers do have to go around and move/share the ammo. and nothing get's really changed for the other gametypes. I personally have enjoyed _all_ the changes in nexuiz since 2.0 . and i liked the tag. i like the xonotic balance direction atm, hate the nex switch delay though.

(08-14-2010, 04:51 PM)Roanoke Wrote: Once more, making the game be nicer to n00bs is not a good idea. We all started out as n00bs. We were all fragged 30 times in 10 minutes. But we learned, we learned to use the weapons in a better way and in a more efficient way. That gives the game depth.

(08-18-2010, 08:46 AM)master[mind] Wrote: Also, any player who becomes frustrated within the first 10 min. should not be playing Xonotic.

(08-18-2010, 08:55 AM)Rage_ATWM Wrote:

(08-18-2010, 08:46 AM)master[mind] Wrote: Also, any player who becomes frustrated within the first 10 min. should not be playing Xonotic.

You couldn't state any more clearly the elistist aspect I mentioned before.

(08-18-2010, 09:17 AM)master[mind] Wrote:

(08-18-2010, 08:55 AM)Rage_ATWM Wrote:

(08-18-2010, 08:46 AM)master[mind] Wrote: Also, any player who becomes frustrated within the first 10 min. should not be playing Xonotic.

You couldn't state any more clearly the elistist aspect I mentioned before.

There is a major difference between elitist and lazy. I thoroughly welcome any new player to come and play. I'd be glad to give any advice I could and help them learn. Most other well established players do likewise. All you have to do is ask. I do not like hearing people complain about their death rate. When you start playing a new game, IT IS HARD! Becoming better through practice is the reward. If you're looking for a 10 min. thrill, go play something else. Fun games require practice, skill, and determination. I feel like I've said this before...

Elitist communities don't give advice, laugh at new players, and are generally jerks. There are very few jerks here.

(08-18-2010, 10:54 AM)Rage_ATWM Wrote: But i'm not talking about player behaviours, i'm talking about gameplay.

The question is: do we want Xonotic to be an easy accessible game?
You answered no. Why not. I tend to be agree with you btw.
Now I understood (maybe wrongly) that Xonotic aims at being a more popular and accessible game than Nexuiz was.
And I point out that your position ("Also, any player who becomes frustrated within the first 10 min. should not be playing Xonotic.") will not help for sure.
But it's all about what Xonotic wants to become.

(08-12-2010, 12:57 AM)ProjektGhost Wrote: Greetings. I have been a long time, loyal player of Nexuiz since version 2.4 and have been relatively quiet in my disdain for what has happened to this game since. I suppose I should first make it clear who I am, so as to give my words more credibility: ProjektGhost or mit_ghost, a player since April of 2008, Nexuiz version 2.4. I would like to think I am a well-recognized player, given the time I have put into Nexuiz. Also, let me just say that the proceeding is not some tirade of nonsensical ranting or some attempt at stirring up controversy in hopes of spawning a flame war; I am simply just asking for a little understanding on my behalf, as well as those whom I know share my point of view.

As a self-proclaimed "veteran player," I have seen many changes - in categories of both things I like and dislike. Obviously, this can only come natural with change. Understanding that the only constant is change, there is not much I can do about that. At the same time, my suppressed opinions are somewhat of an embarrassment, because as much as I want to speak my mind, I know that the developers are only doing what they think is in the best interest of the project - and at the same time, it seems as though they are themselves sabotaging it.

In your attempts of appealing to more players and further popularizing Nexuiz, it seems as though you alienate those who have been loyal to the game for many years prior. I can only speak for myself, but I hope that those individuals that share my view will also rise up and make themselves heard.

What I am asking for is not some hierarchy of power or special treatment in favor of those who claim seniority, but rather some logical reasoning and fairness to those with true passion for this game. What I would like to see more of is some system in which the developers and the community have a say in what direction the game is headed in. Thus far, it seems as though three main contributors have the last say in what happens to Xonotic. The movement, physics, weapons, etc. all seem to be committed without much consent from the general community.

What also comes to mind is what exactly you, as developers are more concerned about: Popularity or playability(?) This is where the gameplay has, in my mind, gone from diversity between the well-seasoned players and the completely new player. It definitely does favor the new player, and leaves the experienced player(s) like myself feeling ignored and alienated. Specifically, among the changes I am addressing were the additions of pogostick, guided rockets, and now melee weapon, delays weapon switches, a completely different movement / physics system, and a lightning gun. Nexuiz has gone from being unique to being another quake clone, which to me is just an attempt to leech of the limelight Quake Live casts. I do not want another QL clone; quite the opposite - I want the unique gameplay and weapon array that Nexuiz brought to the table.

Avoid seeing this as a "If ya can't beat'em, join'em" situation. See this as a problem of hype in where Xonotic needs to be more public and popular without having to completely re-vamp the entire game. Although trying to bring some modern sense to Xonotic, bear in mind that Nexuiz was always noted for its oldschool gameplay. Among the things that should be changed that Nexuiz was lacking were more practical applications such as engine improvements, becoming as light as it was before, more awareness to lesser-played gamemodes (such as onslaught), and possibly the addition of vehicles - and even then, make most major changes mutators, and not default.

I am well aware that a closer relationship between the development team and the community is a main focus in the Xonotic project, but so far, it seems like the same old story (like the whole situation that started the fork of Nexuiz) - The elite few control the fate of the many. At this rate, I fear I will have to part with this game and move on once it passes. As hard as that may be after all these years, it will probably not be the same game, anyway.

(08-18-2010, 12:46 PM)mastermind Wrote: If a player is utterly frustrated to no end after 1hr of gameplay, then the game truly is too hard. 10 min is never enough time to analyze a game.

(08-30-2010, 09:46 AM)Mr. Bougo Wrote: I often see new players getting fragged all the time but still enjoying the challenge, and those often get better in days.