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laino (the bridge) - monad - 12-03-2010

This is the bridge that appears here

It wasn't built for Xonotic and I think that it's not playable. If somebody wants to play take or modify it. But there is a problem: the textures are from cgtextures.com and I think that they cannot use in open source (like GPL) projects Angry

They should be replaced with new ones.

laino.pk3

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Now, without the fog, the name doesn't make sense ("laino" means "fog") Dodgy

RE: laino (the bridge) - nowego4 - 12-03-2010

Ok, first off, I think you built the pk3 wrong. Don't compress the 'laino' folder, select all the other ones (maps, scripts, etc.) at once and compress them, then rename.

Secondly, the architecture looks very nice. This is definitely worth putting more work into.

Thirdly, the tall ladders that go up to the top don't seem to be working Undecided

Fourthly, there are no weapons on the map, so the only gamemode it will support right now (I realise that it's not done, just telling other people so they know where to look for it) is LMS.

Speaking of gamemodes, It seems to be set up for CTF. Is this what it was intended for? If so, you'll probably want a translucent water texture to prevent the enemy from sneaking up on the base.

Fifth and finally, be very careful on where you put the sniping weapons (especially the rifle) and how much of their ammo you place.

Also, If you want a skybox that looks like fog, BARTUC has a pretty good one called 'persistant fog' here.

Anyway this is very good, I would suggest making it CTF, or maybe assault (like one team has to shoot the supports out from under the bridge to make it fall or something).

Good Job! Smile

RE: laino (the bridge) - unfa - 12-03-2010

Nice design. Textures could propably be re-made under GPL.

RE: laino (the bridge) - FruitieX - 12-04-2010

Yeah retexturing hopefully shouldn't be too big of a problem. I see huge potential in this map... Can we have it released under the GPLv2? (the .map file only, no textures) :-P

RE: laino (the bridge) - BARTUC - 12-04-2010

very nice job

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-04-2010

the brigde as object is wunderful but for me its a bit senseless only the bridge
maybe the bridge would be better in a canyon

RE: laino (the bridge) - master[mind] - 12-04-2010

(12-04-2010, 11:06 AM)_para Wrote: the brigde as object is wunderful but for me its a bit senseless only the bridge
maybe the bridge would be better in a canyon

I think faking a city/island with extremely low detail models and textures would solve that problem. I like the idea of this map. Making the connected islands smaller would give it an even cooler feel. As crazy as this sounds, look at the Halo 2 level Regret, it's kinda what this map feels like at this point, albiet more industrial which fits Xonotic's style. I really like it! Great for CTF.

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-04-2010

(12-04-2010, 02:36 PM)master[mind] Wrote:
(12-04-2010, 11:06 AM)_para Wrote: the brigde as object is wunderful but for me its a bit senseless only the bridge
maybe the bridge would be better in a canyon

I think faking a city/island with extremely low detail models and textures would solve that problem. I like the idea of this map. Making the connected islands smaller would give it an even cooler feel. As crazy as this sounds, look at the Halo 2 level Regret, it's kinda what this map feels like at this point, albiet more industrial which fits Xonotic's style. I really like it! Great for CTF.

fake city is an good idea mabe as skybox models and behind the models 2d pictures.... but a mars canyon would fit xonotic too maybe ill use the bridge just to show you what i mean

RE: laino (the bridge) - monad - 12-04-2010

(12-03-2010, 04:35 PM)nowego4 Wrote: Ok, first off, I think you built the pk3 wrong. Don't compress the 'laino' folder, select all the other ones (maps, scripts, etc.) at once and compress them, then rename.

Wait.. the pk3 has 'maps', 'scripts', 'textures' and 'gfx' folders. Or you mean 'maps/laino' folder?

(12-03-2010, 04:35 PM)nowego4 Wrote: Secondly, the architecture looks very nice. This is definitely worth putting more work into.

Thanks!

(12-03-2010, 04:35 PM)nowego4 Wrote: Thirdly, the tall ladders that go up to the top don't seem to be working

Xonotic players are too fat, the bridge was done for smaller players. Better to use the lift. I think that long ladders are going to be annoying.

(12-03-2010, 04:35 PM)nowego4 Wrote: Fourthly, there are no weapons on the map, so the only gamemode it will support right now (I realise that it's not done, just telling other people so they know where to look for it) is LMS.

Speaking of gamemodes, It seems to be set up for CTF. Is this what it was intended for? If so, you'll probably want a translucent water texture to prevent the enemy from sneaking up on the base.

Fifth and finally, be very careful on where you put the sniping weapons (especially the rifle) and how much of their ammo you place.

I'm a noob so better to left this work to someone else Tongue

(12-03-2010, 04:35 PM)nowego4 Wrote: Also, If you want a skybox that looks like fog, BARTUC has a pretty good one called 'persistant fog' here.

They are really beautiful.

Yes, FruitieX, as GPLv2 if you want.

And yes, a bridge floating in the air doesn't make sense.
A like the canyon idea, but maybe the city (with models and skybox) is more adecuate, with less tris.

_para, do you use Img2Map Tool? Can you make a test map with it? I'll try to make a canyon but with another editor.

Ah! The design is not mine, I used this bridge as a reference, which is the world's oldest transporter bridge (so no futuristic Tongue

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RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-04-2010

i'll use imgtomap. maybe ill make tomorrow(or today no today its 0:52 on my clock)

but in the map would be only the bridge left
itemplacement is easy but boring(sometimes) to have it not only lms place a weapon somewhere

and maybe someone else have to compile because netradiant get sometimes memory errors(i have 4gig ram and 2.6*4 quadcore but win7)

RE: laino (the bridge) - nowego4 - 12-05-2010

I would volunteer for item placement, except that my netradiant.app that came with xonotic isn't working Undecided

So I guess it's a no go here.

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-05-2010

im on it ;D i have the canyon map finished the bridge is on its final place just making blue and red base for the mars canyon ill post the sreens in "screenshots of what you are doing"
i also calculated the gravity for the level because normal is 800 i have 303,375 its calculated by the gravity or the earth and mars in the bases i have gravity fields calculated so the gravity in the bases are 800 (303,375*2,637 its almost 800 (799,999875))
and when you are too close to the mapborders youll die because there is no air... i hope i can test if it works today...

myself Wrote:

finished the canyon landscape

thats the image for the img2map tool

finished the layout for the blue base.
merged useless quadcolumns and else things on the bridge deleted the train bacause would not make sense down in the canyon

here to discuss the thing what you like what should i improve
the bridge i also here the center of the map but you cant use a train so you dont have to wait for it and the action is on the bridge on the bridges top should be 2 nexguns and you cant camp because on this heigh a trigger hurt starts to damage you its builts with 4 other trigger_hurt the general suffocation zone of the map

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-05-2010

AAAAND i scaled the bridge up (*2.5)

ill definitely add orange fog and orange dust particles to the ground like redplanet but thell have a winddirection and they should fall down the acclivities

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-05-2010

so i made some screenshots with and without fog... the fog gaves me the feeling of airlessness i should ajust it a bit more

what do you think?

RE: laino (the bridge) - nowego4 - 12-05-2010

(12-05-2010, 02:09 PM)_para Wrote: ...here to discuss the thing what you like what should i improve
the bridge i also here the center of the map but you cant use a train so you dont have to wait for it and the action is on the bridge on the bridges top should be 2 nexguns and you cant camp because on this heigh a trigger hurt starts to damage you its builts with 4 other trigger_hurt the general suffocation zone of the map

I actually prefer Rifle over Nex for sniping cause of the damage falloff and charging. I consider it more of a short range weapon that is very deadly but takes lots of skill to operate Undecided

Maybe just me.

The 'train' wasn't really necessary in the first place, 1 laser jump and you're over.

Do you like the 'treasure island' map? Or did you make it? Those buildings had trigger_hurt on the roof which I always found kind of annoying. Just give each team an HLAC--it should have enough radius to reach them and push off.

Anyway, I'll be able to give you much better feedback once I've tried it (hint hint).

Nice Job on the canyon, just make sure it doesn't give either side the advantage.

Edit: Wow! that's a lot of orange. I like the fog. And you've included a TAG! My favorite!

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-05-2010

nah the tag is only that i can play it as dm ;D i placed only this wepon i mean the bluebase is not finished and the redbase has only the fundament

edit:

and i have a small story:

"You are positioned in Dune-SBS a colonie on the Mars to help your team to win this war. "
any splling or grammar mistakes?

RE: laino (the bridge) - nowego4 - 12-05-2010

Yes, you misspelled 'colonie' (should be 'colony') and 'splling' (should be 'spelling'). Can I safely guess you're not American/English?

Is that for your mapinfo? I hate it when people don't include mapinfos.

Now get back to work Wink

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-05-2010

ill include mapinfo ^^
i want to change the gravity
but the story is the message the worldspawn will print

...im german Big Grin

RE: laino (the bridge) - monad - 12-05-2010

Hi.

I used all the structure but it's too tall and the "train" is not useful.

Quote:AAAAND i scaled the bridge up (*2.5)

Good! it was really annoying to cross the bridge.

I like the screenshots, but what performance has the map? (bridge+terrain=a lot of tris)
I also like with fog. Is posible to put a more dense fog in the upper area (with fade)? To make more obvious that you can't stand here.

RE: laino (the bridge) - Cortez666 - 12-06-2010

the terrain looks like its made of a giant patch. It could lead to big performance issues

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-06-2010

(12-05-2010, 06:44 PM)monad Wrote: Hi.

I used all the structure but it's too tall and the "train" is not useful.

Quote:AAAAND i scaled the bridge up (*2.5)
Good! it was really annoying to cross the bridge.

I like the screenshots, but what performance has the map? (bridge+terrain=a lot of tris)
I also like with fog. Is posible to put a more dense fog in the upper area (with fade)? To make more obvious that you can't stand here.

my performance on higest settings is good

fodsettings Wrote:fog 0.15 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 618 6000 10000000 1000

if you ant to see how often i changed the fog:

Quote:fog 0.9 0.8 0.61 0 1 1000 150000 100000000 128
fog 0.9 0.8 0.61 0 1 1000 150000 100000000 528
fog 0.9 0.8 0.61 0 1 1000 150000 100000000 28
fog 0.9 0.8 0.61 0 1 1000 150000 100000 28
fog 0.9 0.8 0.61 0 1 1000 150 100000 28
fog 0.9 0.8 0.61 0 1 1000 1500 100000 28
fog 0.9 0.8 0.61 0 1 1000 15000 100000 28
fog 0.9 0.9 0.4 0 1 1000 15000 100000 28
fog 0.9 0.9 0.4 0 1 10000 15000 100000 28
fog 0.9 0.9 0.4 0 1 5000 10000 100000 28
fog 0.9 0.9 0.4 0 1 5000 10000 100000 1128
fog 0.9 0.9 0.4 0 1 5000 10000 10000000 1128
fog 0.9 0.9 0.4 0 1 5000 10000 0000000 1128
fog 0.9 0.9 0.4 0 1 5000 10000 10 1128
fog 0.9 0.9 0.4 0 1 5000 10000 10000 1128
fog 0.9 0.9 0.4 0.2 1 5000 10000 10000 1128
fog 0.9 0.7 0.4 0.2 1 5000 10000 10000 1128
fog 0.9 0.7 0.4 0.1 1 5000 10000 10000 1128
fog 0.5 0.7 0.4 0.1 1 5000 10000 10000 1128
fog 0.5 0.7 0.4 0.1 1 5000 10000 1000 1128
fog 0.5 0.7 0.4 0.1 1 5000 100000 1000 1128
fog 0.5 0.7 0.4 0.1 1 5000 10000 10000 1128
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 5000 10000 10000 1128
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 5000 6000 10000 1128
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 5000 6000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 2000 6000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 2000 4000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 2000 3000 10000 1
fog 0.1 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 2000 3000 10000 1
fog 0.3 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 2000 6000 10000 1
fog 0.3 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 1000 10000 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 1000 10000 10000 1
fog 0.15 0.7 0.45 0.1 1 2000 10000 10000 1
fog 0.15 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 2000 10000 10000 1
fog 0.15 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.99 2000 10000 10000 1
fog 0.15 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.8 2000 10000 10000 1
fog 0.15 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.8 200 10000 10000 1
fog 0.45 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.8 200 10000 10000 1
fog 1 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.8 200 10000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 200 10000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 4500 10000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 4500 1000000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 4500 10000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 4500 1000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 4500 10000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 500 10000 10000 1
fog 0.1 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 500 10000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 1300 5000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 1300 7500 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.1 0.9 1300 75000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.3 0.9 1300 75000 10000 1
fog 0.5 0.7 0.45 0.2 0.9 1300 75000 10000 1
fog 0.76 0.7 0.45 0.2 0.9 1300 75000 10000 1
fog 0.76 0.7 0.45 0.2 0.9 1300 7500 10000 1
fog 0.76 0.7 0.45 0.2 0.9 1300 7500 10000 1
fog 2 0.7 0.45 0.2 0.9 1300 7500 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.7 0.45 0.2 0.9 1300 7500 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.9 1300 7500 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.9 0 7500 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.9 0 5500 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.9 0 55000 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 1 0 55000 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.95 0 55000 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.85 0 55000 10000 1
fog 1 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.85 0 55000 10000 1
fog 1 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.6 0 55000 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.85 0 55000 10000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.85 0 1000000 10000000 1
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.85 0 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 0.8 0.45 0.2 0.85 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 0.8 0.55 0.1 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 0.8 0.35 0.1 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 0.6 0.45 0.1 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 0.9 0.45 0.1 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.45 0.1 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.65 0.1 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.55 0.1 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.55 0.25 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.55 0.15 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.35 0.15 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.42 0.15 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.5 0.15 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.44 0.15 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 1000 1000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 1000 1000000 0000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 1000 1100 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 1000 10000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 1618 10000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.2 1.5 0.46 0.15 0.9 1618 10000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.3 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 1618 10000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.15 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 1618 10000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.15 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 618 10000000 10000000 1000
fog 0.15 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 618 10000 10000000 1000
fog 0.15 1 0.46 0.15 0.9 618 6000 10000000 1000

and the fog is not perfect and i only can set a global fog not for special areas
some vlues dont have a sense the last 2 make no difference the bigger one of the last to makes the fog till 10000 invisible and above visible (like 1/0 vor this i have alpha)

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-16-2010

so here is the mapfile i wanted to finish the map but i have no ideas for the map the blue base is only the layout the red the fundaments (which should be connected by a bridge) and the texture is too orange... i have no idea for weeks what i can put into the map

so here is the link the map files name is "Dune-SBS.map"

RE: laino (the bridge) - nowego4 - 12-16-2010

My NetRadiant is not working... Compile a .bsp for me and I'll try to help you with your architecture (I believe that's what you're asking for, if not try to explain a little better Wink

)

RE: laino (the bridge) - _para - 12-16-2010

hmm i could compile i mean for test its enough to have the bsp single and low light i did not compile vis(whatever it would make)

RE: laino (the bridge) - nowego4 - 12-16-2010

Yeah I don't need high quality, just enough to hop around in-game with. Maybe you could also post a minimap, so I could show you what needs be where.
Smile