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Bio Lab - Maddin - 10-03-2011
Finally the map "Bio Lab" is finished:
![[Image: scaled.php?server=810&filename=biolabour...res=medium]](http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/2741/biolabour1.jpg)
![[Image: scaled.php?server=268&filename=biolabour...res=medium]](http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2920/biolabour3.jpg)
![[Image: scaled.php?server=33&filename=biolabour5.jpg&res=medium]](http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8807/biolabour5.jpg)
![[Image: scaled.php?server=638&filename=biolabour...res=medium]](http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3113/biolabour4.jpg)
(Some screenshots could be outdated.)
A special "Thank you" goes to unfa who created the soundtrack "Stone Hard" which you can listen to in this map.
The map supports the following gamemodes:
Arena
Clan-Arena
Deathmatch
Last-Man-Standing
Team-Deathmatch
Keepaway
Freezetag
The compile-settings:
"Q3Map2: (final) Maddin´s final compile (dark maps)"
-meta -v -minsamplesize 2
-vis -saveprt
-light -deluxe -dirty -dirtmode 1 -dirtscale 2 -fast -lightmapsize 1024 -patchshadows -samples 4
-minimap
And here you can download the package: bio_labour_v1.pk3
Greetings,
Maddin
RE: Bio Labour - Leeloo - 10-03-2011
Nice looking, I I love the lighting.
Sorry I was wrong about pk3 file. Someone has told me that.
RE: Bio Labour - theShadow - 10-03-2011
not a bad map. you could maybe break up some of the repeating textures a bit. also, unless I am mistaken, are there 2 sets of warp zones? if so, I suggest you remove one. warp zones are a big hog on performance, and this map is already a little lower than average. (I suspect, due to the warpzones.)
I also have some sugestions for the layout, but i will post those later, with pictures.
RE: Bio Labour - Mepper - 10-03-2011
I do like it, but a few things:
It looks like you and kuniu are depresive. Your newest maps are just grey, grey, grey, and grey, and even more grey.
Make it a little more happy, my dear Maddin. More colors, brighter map.
And I miss support for infection.
But I won't talk about mapping issues, my dear clanmate theShadow is way better with that.
RE: Bio Labour - Maddin - 10-03-2011
Leeloo Wrote:You have to rename inside the pk3 file the map/*.bsp, map/*.tga, map/*.mapinfo, map/*.waypoint. Replace * by bio_labour_v1 as it.sme told in the post about your nice heavymetal map.Really? As far as I know pk3 packages with higher numbers/letters are "preferred" by the engine. So bio_labour_v2 would be used instead of bio_labour_v1.
theShadow Wrote:also, unless I am mistaken, are there 2 sets of warp zones? if so, I suggest you remove one. warp zones are a big hog on performance, and this map is already a little lower than average. (I suspect, due to the warpzones.)Yes, there are two warpzones. But I wonder why it has a huge impact on your performance, because I already VIS-optimized the map totally, I don´t have any problems there. Well and removing one warpzone wouldn´t be an option, I already tried that. It´s caused by the layout that this change wouldn´t be very easy.
Mepper Wrote:It looks like you and kuniu are depresive. Your newest maps are just grey, grey, grey, and grey, and even more grey.I may be depressive or maybe not... doesn´t matter. My map isn´t just grey, it uses a cold blue-white as main colour-theme. And I didn´t want to create another bright map as we have them "en masse". Xonotic uses the "DarkPlaces"-engine so why not building dark maps?
Make it a little more happy, my dear Maddin. More colors, brighter map.
Mepper Wrote:And I miss support for infection.Infection? What´s that?
RE: Bio Labour - Mepper - 10-03-2011
Infection is gamemode. It is dm, but then, if you get killed, your colors will change to the colors of the guy who killed you.
If everyone has the same color the round ended.
It is very funny, but nearly nobody plays it.
And if I may quote Samual:
"Your children will grow up with horrible diseases usually only seen in Africa if you do not include that mode, I wrote it."
(Or was that about keepaway? Whatever.)
RE: Bio Labour - rocknroll237 - 10-03-2011
This is an awesome map :-)
The only negative thing I can think of is that the reflections that come off the glass on the floor can look a bit weird.
RE: Bio Labour - theShadow - 10-03-2011
those aren't reflections, those are cubemaps. (which is a good thing, as putting reflections on those would shoot performance all to hell.) they could maybe be improved with just a little tweaking.
there IS a section of reflective water, but that really isn't all that noticeable. perhaps you could remove that?
RE: Bio Labour - tZork - 10-03-2011
(10-03-2011, 10:16 AM)theShadow Wrote: ...
unless I am mistaken, are there 2 sets of warp zones? if so, I suggest you remove one. warp zones are a big hog on performance
...
As long as not more then one is visible (as in the game consider it, not you) at the time you can have 500 of em as far as render speed is concerned.
RE: Bio Labour - theShadow - 10-03-2011
oh, ok. thats not a problem then, however, I still suggest you remove the water. it isn't really noticeable anyway.
RE: Bio Labour - tZork - 10-03-2011
reflective water AND warps can indeed be a bad idea, as warpzones turn on reflection for the duration of the map even if the user has it off
RE: Bio Labour - Maddin - 10-04-2011
The reflections on the glass are indeed fake. I the beginning I tried to make it all with real reflections, which looked awesome but my fps-rate went down to less than 10fps. Now with the cubemap (I know it as environment map, but never mind) the performance is good and allows maximum fps-rates (60 for me).
Ok, I´m happy that you pointed the thing with the water out. I don´t really like it too, so it will be removed.
What do you think of the item placement? Are there enough items at all or are there too many? Is the placement balanced?
RE: Bio Lab - Justin - 06-02-2012
The best map for FFA in the History of Xonotic.
RE: Bio Lab - rocknroll237 - 06-02-2012
(06-02-2012, 02:45 AM)Justin Wrote: The best map for FFA in the History of Xonotic.
Woah... Bold statement I must say. Not that I'd disagree with it (although, technically, I have about 5 or 6 favourites).
RE: Bio Lab - CuBe0wL - 06-05-2012
You have to admit, it plays very well on DCC. I'd consider it as a "merge candidate" too, though something is still missing, but I don't know what. Also, that'd need aproval from Maddin too.
RE: Bio Lab - evit - 06-05-2012
Very nice work!
Is there a CTF version of this map?
RE: Bio Lab - tZork - 06-05-2012
I have to agree with ze captain here, while it play quite nice, it does lack a cretin (undefined) something.
RE: Bio Lab - Cortez666 - 06-05-2012
i think a problem with that map is that most ways look quite similar and you easily lose your orientation.
RE: Bio Lab - rocknroll237 - 06-05-2012
(06-05-2012, 05:19 PM)Cortez666 Wrote: i think a problem with that map is that most ways look quite similar and you easily lose your orientation.
Yes, but perhaps this suits the map? I don't know, but I like the fact that it looks consistent. In some maps this is bad, but Biolab is clinical and I think that adding too much variety would detract from the overall feel.
I suppose a few little changes would be welcome though.
RE: Bio Lab - Cortez666 - 06-05-2012
(06-05-2012, 05:40 PM)rocknroll237 Wrote: Yes, but perhaps this suits the map? I don't know, but I like the fact that it looks consistent. In some maps this is bad, but Biolab is clinical and I think that adding too much variety would detract from the overall feel.
just some minor stuff, to make it less repetitive, but to take that style.
RE: Bio Lab - rafallus - 06-05-2012
Maybe a few distinct models of stuff that looks like it might belong in lab, put in specific places, serving as navigational points?
RE: Bio Lab - rocknroll237 - 06-06-2012
(06-05-2012, 05:49 PM)rafallus Wrote: Maybe a few distinct models of stuff that looks like it might belong in lab, put in specific places, serving as navigational points?
^^ This.
RE: Bio Lab - hutty - 06-06-2012
I am planning on making some secret lab props for my ctf map that I am making for the contest (pyipelab ... soon to be renamed) ... maybe we could share ^^
RE: Bio Lab - Maddin - 06-06-2012
Wow, ok, I didn´t expect to get another comment these days. Thought this map was ok for its purpose, not perfect and still not popular enough for another update.
Seems like I was wrong.
Well, I have to have a look at it again and see what can be done (which is probably a lot).
RE: Bio Lab - SUbTLE - 11-07-2014
(06-06-2012, 12:44 PM)Maddin Wrote: Wow, ok, I didn´t expect to get another comment these days. Thought this map was ok for its purpose, not perfect and still not popular enough for another update.
Seems like I was wrong.
Well, I have to have a look at it again and see what can be done (which is probably a lot).
You didn't expect to get replies then? Well I guess this one's going to blow your mind
I apologize in advance for necropost. This thread's ancient in internet years.
Anyway, while bored and looking for maps I happened to stroll across Bio Labour here. I loaded it up and couldn't help but notice some... ahem, similarities to one of the maps from Halo Reach. I thought it was neat, really, that while not playing Halo I still managed to find a way to play halo
.Not that the rest of the map is like the map in question (Sword Base), just that one area. Gave me a good chuckle. Rest of the map seemed nice enough.