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Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - machine! - 07-27-2014
Xonotic Trailer
Me and Archer are working on a new trailer. Archer have made the music so this time it can be shown on main website without issues! We need help though, since we want good gameplay footage in it.
What we are interesting in is action-packed gameplay moments on official maps (also no centered or left-aligned weapons, it needs to be consistent with what we already have). Nice frags are obviously prefered, but the most important thing is that there is a lot of stuff happening.
Modes:
- FFA
- CTF
- TDM
- CA
- Keyhunt
- LMS
- Minsta (only one clip, no worries
)
- Assault
Maps:
We are only looking for demos on official maps. We already have two demos for Stormkeep and Afterslime, but if you got really good one please send it.
Sending demos:
Please send them in PM, because then I can quickly notice them.
Progress:
- Music [done]
- Intro [done]
- Logo [done]
- Gameplay [done]
- Outro [done]
Contributors:
NinjaWazzabi
Gatts
Halogene
kojn
asyyy
Nethicx
Mirio
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Archer - 07-27-2014
This is the music so far, with some ambience included in the beginning for the intro shots (it's more for the show, not the real ambience you hear in the maps):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51891186/xontrailerv3.ogg
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - end user - 07-27-2014
(07-27-2014, 11:45 AM)Archer Wrote: This is the music so far, with some ambience included in the beginning for the intro shots (it's more for the show, not the real ambience you hear in the maps):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51891186/xontrailerv3.ogg
Pretty good track but I almost lost it with the build up at 0:38 as it felt like it was going to lead into dub step bass
Luckily for you it didn't.
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Archer - 07-27-2014
(07-27-2014, 12:10 PM)end user Wrote:Hahah, dubstep would be the last thing to fit xonotic imo(07-27-2014, 11:45 AM)Archer Wrote: This is the music so far, with some ambience included in the beginning for the intro shots (it's more for the show, not the real ambience you hear in the maps):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51891186/xontrailerv3.ogg
Pretty good track but I almost lost it with the build up at 0:38 as it felt like it was going to lead into dub step bass
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - kojn^ - 07-27-2014
Listened to it, interesting track. Enjoyed it
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Mirio - 07-28-2014
I have demos for everything except Minsta and Assault (only too old
) and also quite recent Keepaway, Freeze Tag stuff if you want to show them.
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - machine! - 07-28-2014
That's great, please send them!
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Halogene - 07-28-2014
Is it a problem if you disabled weapon model drawing?
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - machine! - 07-28-2014
No problem! That doesn't affect the demo iirc.
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Mirio - 07-28-2014
I will post them in a few days.
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - machine! - 07-31-2014
I'll be gone in a few weeks, here is current and probably last render from me since Archer takes over project, I've sent him most meta files and such since the entire project is too big for me to send at this moment (50ish gb and I have to go soon while writing this). Anyway, enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ZjJUZ3s0Y&list=UUWXW63Z-f_6wnEg-Il1y_EQ
Downloads:
- mp4 https://www.dropbox.com/s/bt535c9d76ly3d5/untitled.mp4
- ogv https://www.dropbox.com/s/03nhudgdox8mc3q/untitled.ogv
Here are the meta files, just in case they get lost: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9j03eefhkmicqmh/trailerforarcher.zip
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Archer - 07-31-2014
Please leave feedback to the video above, I'll be taking over the production and any feedback will be very valuable to me.
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Antibody - 07-31-2014
Great job! I mentioned this in IRC, so I'll mention it here too: the lettering needs to be changed to be readable on light and dark backgrounds. A dark border would probably do the trick! Right now the weapons text is hard to read against the light-gray background.
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Archer - 07-31-2014
(07-31-2014, 11:44 AM)Antibody Wrote: Great job! I mentioned this in IRC, so I'll mention it here too: the lettering needs to be changed to be readable on light and dark backgrounds. A dark border would probably do the trick! Right now the weapons text is hard to read against the light-gray background.
Definitely, I had another type of text sequence in mind too, kinda like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51891186/2014-07-30.m2ts
But obviously with footage (and faster).
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Antibody - 07-31-2014
That text is much better! I'd just remove the hyphen from the beginning, since you're just showing the list items piecemeal anyway.
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - kojn^ - 07-31-2014
I gave machine my feedback on IRC.
The promise / idea is good, needs better execution though. Frags come and go so quick, even for me it's hard to follow feels a little disjointed.
I can explain more on IRC Archer, few tweaks and I think it will be a lot better
Music fit's really well though I have to say, I like it
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - end user - 07-31-2014
Well not too shabby!! Although its missing vehicles
How about a shot of a player jumping out of a Raptor mid air and landing/capping on the flag in Unsealed Trial? Although not sure if UT is an official map.
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Archer - 07-31-2014
(07-31-2014, 01:32 PM)kojn^ Wrote: I gave machine my feedback on IRC.
The promise / idea is good, needs better execution though. Frags come and go so quick, even for me it's hard to follow feels a little disjointed.
I can explain more on IRC Archer, few tweaks and I think it will be a lot better
Music fit's really well though I have to say, I like it
Nah I get what you mean, I'll fine tune that part after the logo because it's still quite an inconsistent mess in my opinion.
I will share my progress on this thread (if I make any significant progress), and I'll make sure to ask you about stuff on IRC
(07-31-2014, 01:35 PM)end user Wrote: Well not too shabby!! Although its missing vehicles
Could definitely use a good shot of vehicles in action (that spider robot thing would be neat).
If you got demos, please provide em
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - end user - 07-31-2014
(07-31-2014, 01:52 PM)Archer Wrote:(07-31-2014, 01:32 PM)kojn^ Wrote: I gave machine my feedback on IRC.
The promise / idea is good, needs better execution though. Frags come and go so quick, even for me it's hard to follow feels a little disjointed.
I can explain more on IRC Archer, few tweaks and I think it will be a lot better
Music fit's really well though I have to say, I like it
Nah I get what you mean, I'll fine tune that part after the logo because it's still quite an inconsistent mess in my opinion.
I will share my progress on this thread (if I make any significant progress), and I'll make sure to ask you about stuff on IRC
(07-31-2014, 01:35 PM)end user Wrote: Well not too shabby!! Although its missing vehicles
Could definitely use a good shot of vehicles in action (that spider robot thing would be neat).
If you got demos, please provide em
Crap forgot I had to clean up the work computer and deleted all the demo
I guess I'll have to play some more then lol
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Rage_ATWM - 08-01-2014
Took a look at it. That's not bad. The only flaw I see is that in the second part (> 0.39') , video is synchronized on that guitar pattern, which is too short so as to get longer frag sequences.
Another minor remark: the snare drum (>0.15' => <0.27') sounds quite cheap imho.
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Archer - 08-01-2014
(08-01-2014, 03:53 PM)Rage_ATWM Wrote: Another minor remark: the snare drum (>0.15' => <0.27') sounds quite cheap imho
Got any suggestions/examples of something that wouldn't sound 'cheap'?
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - frostwyrm333 - 08-02-2014
Awesome, I like it.
-The slow-motion parts are kind of meh because of animations showing imperfections.
-0:22 runningman ctf scene is also meh
-1:00 meh too (xoylent)
-Xonotic logo is awesome, as mentioned needs contrast, or maybe if entire background turned to white/black.
-And other weapons should also get some screen time, its mostly rocket launcher.
-Maybe it would be better if there was a scene of some complicated jumping trick. :3
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Archer - 08-02-2014
It;s gonna take a while before I can start working on this, got some upcoming exams that I need to prepare for (11th and 13th of august).
After that I can focus on re-recording all demos and finishing the trailer.
If machine is back by then and wants to continue work on it I'll pass it back, I mostly took over so he wouldn't rush the video off the day before he left because it was not ready at all.
I already made the preparations though:
-Installed linux on some VM and got Kdenlive running, I'll most likely transfer everything to a different and more versatile video editor (on windows).
-Got a free 1tb drive for recording now
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Halogene - 08-04-2014
I think it should be longer in order to allow for longer clips. Remember that if you produce it you know the clips exactly so your brain needs about half the time to understand the sceneries when watching the compiled video compared to a viewer that has never seen the clip. I found myself still processing a scene while the scene following on that already had finished... but that might be related to age as well... in any case I'd encourage to be a bit more elaborate, maybe use clips that show off several aspects in a row so you can keep some consistency (using several weapons ("so many weapons"), then one weapon with primary and then secondary fire ("secondary fire modes")).
For my personal taste, the gibs are totally ugly and way too much. Are they at default setting? I always play with gibs disabled, so I seem to have lost any reasonable basis to judge them.
Oh, and just so this doesn't seem like nagging: I absolutely approve the approach to make a community trailer that can license-wise be put onto the official web site! Great work, keep it up! I'm still working on a logo animation that you people might want to use for intro/outro :o)
RE: Xonotic Trailer (help needed!) - Archer - 08-04-2014
(08-04-2014, 05:18 AM)Halogene Wrote: I think it should be longer in order to allow for longer clips. Remember that if you produce it you know the clips exactly so your brain needs about half the time to understand the sceneries when watching the compiled video compared to a viewer that has never seen the clip. I found myself still processing a scene while the scene following on that already had finished... but that might be related to age as well... in any case I'd encourage to be a bit more elaborate, maybe use clips that show off several aspects in a row so you can keep some consistency (using several weapons ("so many weapons"), then one weapon with primary and then secondary fire ("secondary fire modes")).
For my personal taste, the gibs are totally ugly and way too much. Are they at default setting? I always play with gibs disabled, so I seem to have lost any reasonable basis to judge them.
Oh, and just so this doesn't seem like nagging: I absolutely approve the approach to make a community trailer that can license-wise be put onto the official web site! Great work, keep it up! I'm still working on a logo animation that you people might want to use for intro/outro :o)
I can make the clips longer without making the video longer, got some ideas for that.
Besides, if there's lack of space I can always make the song longer, either by slowing it down or by adding pieces, but I'd rather avoid that.
Gibs in Xonotic were always ugly in my opinion, even the lowest settings for them produce way too many gibs, not sure if it is a variable that can be set to something different than the presets, but even if that's not the case I would rather leave them in because... People generally love to see gibs in games like this one. Leaving them out will do more harm than including them.
EDIT: cl_nogibs 0.8 produces a fair effect, not too many gibs, way less than "few", which is weird considering that "few" was cl_nogibs 0.75. Maybe the slider doesn't work properly?