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Slurs in game voicelines

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Is it really necessary to get called a disability slur every time your teammate walks into your splash?

ik you can turn it off but why is that even a thing in the firstplace, especially seeing how most players probably won't go through all the game's settings.
Just really annoying imo.
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Yeah, exactly my thinking! I was thinking of creating a slur filter chatbot for Xonotic:

Player123: lol that's just lame
Server: Dear Player123, your response seems to imply, that people who are physically disadvantaged in their ability to use their legs are less abled to be productive members of society, or that being burdened with impared leg functioning puts you into a position of contempt and disrespect. However this is provably very untrue. Take for example Steven Hawking, who was able to produce many great advancements in physics, despite his disablity and impaired leg function. Even if someone happens to suffer from a disability that affects their legs and vocational performance, it does not make them a bad person, and we should respect them and value them just the same way as we value people without disabilities.

Player123: ur stupid to not take mega armor
Server: Using the term "stupid" is discriminatory towards individuals with low IQ because it perpetuates the harmful stereotype that intelligence is a fixed trait and those who possess less of it are inherently inferior. This type of language contributes to a culture that devalues and excludes individuals with intellectual disabilities, ultimately hindering their access to opportunities and social acceptance. Therefore, it's important to recognize the impact of our words and actively work towards creating a more inclusive and respectful society for all. Games are just meant to be fun and not be grounds to judge people based on their race, intelligence, nationality and so forth.

Player123: fucking noob
Server: Using the term "noob" can perpetuate harmful stereotypes and discriminatory attitudes towards newcomers. In online gaming, using terms like "noob" have been used as a way to exclude and belittle individuals who are perceived as different or less experienced, particularly in male-dominated spaces like gaming. This type of language can reinforce harmful power dynamics, such as gatekeeping and ableism, and contribute to a culture of exclusion and discrimination. It's important to be mindful of our language and strive towards creating more inclusive and welcoming spaces for all individuals, regardless of their background or level of experience.

Player123: ur just a pussy
Server: Dear Player123, utilizing the term "pussy" as a derogatory term for weakness or cowardice can contribute to a culture of toxic masculinity and discrimination against marginalized groups. The term is often used to denigrate individuals who are perceived as less masculine, reinforcing harmful stereotypes and expectations around gender and sexuality. This can have a particularly negative impact on individuals who identify as women or LGBTQ+ individuals, who may already face systemic discrimination and marginalization. Therefore, it is important to be mindful of the impact of our language and actively work towards creating a more inclusive and respectful society that values all individuals, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation.

Player123: guess we'll see how good u really r in duel, dude
Server: Using the term "duel" in a casual or frivolous manner can perpetuate harmful stereotypes and attitudes towards violence and conflict resolution, which can disproportionately impact marginalized communities. Historically, the practice of dueling was often tied to power dynamics and reinforced societal hierarchies, making it a tool for maintaining oppression and exclusion. Using the term "duel" without considering its historical context can trivialize these issues and contribute to a culture of violence and aggression. Therefore, it is important to be mindful of the impact of our language and actively work towards creating a more peaceful and inclusive society for all individuals, regardless of their background or social status. Please use more appropriate terms, such as "1v1" or "private match" instead.

Player123: man WTF?
Server: Using the term "man" as a generic or default term for all humans can contribute to a culture of exclusion and discrimination towards women, non-binary individuals, and other marginalized groups. The use of this term can reinforce harmful gender stereotypes and create an environment where women and non-binary individuals are less visible or valued. This type of language can also have a negative impact on individuals who may not identify with traditional gender roles or expectations. Therefore, it is important to be mindful of the impact of our language and actively work towards creating a more inclusive and respectful society that values the diversity of all individuals, regardless of their gender or identity.

Player123: hell no
Server: Using the term "hell" can perpetuate harmful stereotypes and attitudes towards religion and spirituality, which can impact marginalized communities who have historically faced religious persecution or discrimination. The use of this term can also trivialize or dismiss the experiences of individuals who may have a different belief system or worldview. Furthermore, it can contribute to a culture of fear and negativity, reinforcing harmful power dynamics and creating a hostile environment for individuals who may be struggling with mental health or emotional wellbeing. Therefore, it is important to be mindful of the impact of our language and actively work towards creating a more inclusive and respectful society that values the diversity of all individuals, regardless of their beliefs or experiences.



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(05-04-2023, 03:17 PM)Ashurion-Neonix Wrote: Is it really necessary to get called a disability slur every time your teammate walks into your splash?

ik you can turn it off but why is that even a thing in the firstplace, especially seeing how most players probably won't go through all the game's settings.
Just really annoying imo.

I never noticed it, but yeah that's dumb imo. Then again it was probably recorded 10+ years ago when "autistic" was occasionally used as a pejorative.


(05-04-2023, 04:07 PM)ballerburg9005 Wrote: reddit tier concern trolling bs
fuck off
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(05-04-2023, 10:34 PM)anoob Wrote:
(05-04-2023, 03:17 PM)Ashurion-Neonix Wrote: Is it really necessary to get called a disability slur every time your teammate walks into your splash?

ik you can turn it off but why is that even a thing in the firstplace, especially seeing how most players probably won't go through all the game's settings.
Just really annoying imo.

I never noticed it, but yeah that's dumb imo. Then again it was probably recorded 10+ years ago when "autistic" was occasionally used as a pejorative.


(05-04-2023, 04:07 PM)ballerburg9005 Wrote: reddit tier concern trolling bs
fuck off

I think you should be a bit more self-reflective here. First you criticize the use of the term "retard", but then you dismiss criticizing other terms as trolling, such as "lame" which discriminates against physically disabled people in an exact identical way. Then in the first sentence, you use the term "dumb", which is derogatory language against people of low intelligence, with almost identical  but  slightly less pronounced context-meaning as "retarded". Then you top this off by misquoting me, having not provided any sort of argument, but only severe ad-hominem insults.

Please try to view this issue in a bit of a wider angle, and with a less self-focused mindset. Just because you feel a certain way about certain phrases, or because you feel like you can team up to discriminate against the suggestions and opinions of others, doesn't turn it into some kind of objective reality to impose upon other people without being subjected to reason. We should not have any such double-standards when discussing such topics.

Also by furthering the idea that "retard" is a severe insult - fundamentally different to some of the other terms outlined in my response - you are perpetuating something known as "euphemism treadmill", which in itself is a form of discrimination and can only be insulting to minorities and disadvantaged groups. If ultimately, being "retarded" denotes a person who makes extremely poor choices because he has demonstrated exceptionally low intelligence, then we must embrace that fact rather than trying to hide it and the affected people with it behind fancy new terms. In the adult world, this is not helpful, it is just impulsive and short-sighted.

What does it say about us and our attitudes towards minority groups, if it steers such awful feelings, if our actions or opinions are at times being described as "depressive", "retarded", "lame", or "paranoid"? If those are fitting terms to describe reality, should we shroud ourself in an illusion about their true nature, to not be confronted with them? To not feel bad by being associated with disability and disadvantaged groups? Should we kill the messenger? Or should we look into our inner selves and work out our own emotions instead?

Maybe we should not blame language, but how we feel about it instead. While it is true that some terms have historic baggage or other bad dynamics, and should or could be avoided to be more respectful, this is by no means an universal truth. Maybe putting all those bad ideas into people's minds what certain words supposedly imply about your attitudes towards society and the effects it supposedly has, is hardly if ever at all true to begin with, and only reinforces the stereotypes and bad effects it is trying to prevent in the first place. Maybe we should not give those ideas any power, by not ascribing so much power, significance and implication to just single words and phrases. Because it would only make us prejudiced and ill-inclined towards other people, who we should always face in good faith.

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