[SUGGESTION] Weapons function

"Exacerbating this has been players picking open, box like maps like dance, gasolinepowered, dm_castle, facing worlds, go and hydronexb4, as well as rejecting the introduction of new, less open CTF maps."

And then it makes me wonder why the same people set up countless threads on how to stop camping/increase team-play on public server style threads, then we get some perposterous possible solution, it's like I have said to some people on IRC, people need to stop trying to make a vaccine that will temporary fix the problem, and look at the root problem at create a cure.

It's good to see that we can have a civil discussion over this though, but I guess you now know why I bang my head at the constant threads..always the same maps as well, people are too stuck with the old bad maps..this is why QUALITY maps should be included with the release, I also assume weapon changes are being made to make the game more fresh..I for one am all for that if it's going to rejuvenate attracting a bigger playerbase and the weapons have simplified changes..not stuff like smoke grenades etc as a normal weapon.

Ok back on topic...

"This is what makes matches exciting, the perpetual struggle between attack and defense, and tense close matches. This is why I don't think we need a complete weapons balance overhaul (though shotgun/mg obviously need to be balanced), so much as a switch to using solid, well designed competitive maps. The only problem there is whether people actually want new maps, or resist the change and continue to complain about camping."

I completely agree, however I am all for new weapon changes to go along with quality maps, I have made a few sketches and am happy to work with a mapper to try and make more well designed competitive maps if anyone has the time, I can scan/photo my designs if people want to make a map, I would like to work with a mapper so when a bit is done we can both see and make changes etc until the map is done.

As with 'whether people actually want new maps, or resist the change and continue to complain about camping.'

If people are still playing these maps and complaining about camping still after atleast 3years then I don't think much can done to help them

The way forward is to include quality maps, as i'm aware this is why high-res textures and map's being re-made are being done.

For example evil-space is a FUN dm map, and it looks great now, it was always a fun map for public games, but a lot of the CTF public maps are quite simply terrible..I know people like CaptureCity, but that shouldn't be an official map for example.

Now I know mappers need to make some maps for fun etc, but if the players want a Quality game that is going to try to or even equal a commerical game, then they need to expect to have maps that are going to offer a line of good quality gameplay and detail, a lot of the favourite public maps don't offer this, because in general a lot of public servers host maps that are more for fun and to just have a blast on.