(05-06-2010, 12:44 PM)parasti Wrote:(05-06-2010, 11:07 AM)Flying Steel Wrote: If you want to spend the whole game laser jumping .. play minsta.
What game have you been playing while everybody else was playing Nexuiz? The laser and its usage as a movement tool is what defines this game and sets it apart from the dime-a-dozen Q3/UT inspired games. This is not a "better looking OA" or "free UT" or an alternative to whatever is the name of that slow-moving sci-fi FPS that you come from.
I completely disagree with this and agree with flying squirrel, he is only trying to point out he doesn't want to see it turn into another laser laser laser nex gun nexgun CTF gameplay i'm guessing.
What's wrong with making the laser do more damage to one's self?
Yes it's a tool, yes keep it..but don't kick off just because it's unbalanced, it does not do hardly any self-damage. You can't expect to have a starting weapon that will, fly you around maps, damage opponents and do hardly any self-damage..that's having a weapon with NO drawbacks for using it.
If you want balance you have to balance all weapons including the laser regardless if it definies the game or not.
(05-06-2010, 09:10 PM)Flying Steel Wrote: Well on topic I just don't want to see a laser that can be used so many times in a row, as it could in nexuiz. As soon as the ceiling was higher than ~6 meters everyone would turn into nuclear jack rabbits. Among other things, I feel this adversely affects team play in CTF, by making it too simple for a lone carrier to fly out of hostile territory right after a cap.
Agreed with Flying Squirrel, I too just don't want to see a all-purpose weapon with no drawbacks which is essentially the laser, atleast make it have some kind of drawback heck isn't that the point of the weapons in xonotic so that they will have plusses and minusses in there use..there's plenty of ways to do this that have been mentioned, re-charging ammo like tZork said, more damage to one's self which imo is the most sensible, charge up time etc etc.
Just going 'no don't change it, it's what defines nexuiz' is ridiculous.
The game has had so many balance issues over the year's it's quite insane, this is the chance to make a game more enjoybale and gain a better player-base but so many people are so negative with wanting changes.
You may not want xonotic to be a 'run of the mill Q3/UT style game' but you also forgot these games have a lot in common, and they are also hugely popular.
At the end of the day the weapons are going to be getting changed regardless guys and girls, the point to the people defending the laser is you cannot expect to want other weapons to get changes and not the laser in it's current state, you can't have your cake and eat it.
My last words are, instead of wanting things that are super-different because 'otherwise were copying other games' why don't you think about what makes these game's so good..simplicity, balance and good gameplay, Q4 never was as popular as Q3 and the same with UT2004 and UT3 compared to UT1, most of the players did not like the dramatic changes in gameplay to the 'oldskool' UT1 and Q3 games.
Nexuiz originally was meant to be Oldskool Deathmatch/CTF..simplicity but it started to go so off track, much like this post has done.. so basically to summarise can we all stop complaining and give idea's regardless if you disagree or agree, just say you disagree but atleast give alternatives instead of just saying No.
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