Modder looking to mod

Whatever.

Hi and welcome! I took a look on your website and I applaud your color scheme. The Hedgewars stuff looks like fun, we (PB clan members) used to play that too. Here is a video of one of our team's mod that I hope you will enjoy. Have fun in Xonotic. There is plenty to mod!

This basically means that if you connect to official master server, you are playing a proprietary game

I understand your point here, but I don't think that's the right terminology to use. Limiting a master server list to only unaltered servers doesn't make the product proprietary. The game is still free and open source under a variety of licenses! You can still mod it until your heart is content, but the team is under no obligation to show it in their master server if you do so.

When that happens in Xonotic, we'll just place your server into a different category in the server list. That way people can still see your server on the list, but also that it has been modified such that it is no longer the "official" game. I think that's more than fair under most circumstances.

Anyway, welcome! I hope you find this community helpful.

Welcome.

Read the thread carefully and you will find that those servers that were banned did not run a modded Xonotic version but a Nexuiz version that was hacked in order to show up in the server list. No one objected to these people to run a Xonotic server that feels exactly like the banned servers, but hacking another game to show up in Xonotic is not acceptable (and leads to technical complications). The "quake" servers of Mario run a Xonotic server modded to feel like quake. So you are welcome to mod Xonotic. If you mod other games, that's great, too, but don't expect them to be accepted in Xonotic master server.

I don't know what software is run on these servers..

So the game that shows up on our master server might even be proprietary software and you would not care as long as it is compatible? Interesting stance I'm all for software freedom, but that should not have to mean that everything goes, all the time. :p

Anyway, I thought we were talking about Hedgewars I'd rather talk about that than this crap again to be honest. I never liked shoppa and I suck at it! How about you?

For what it's worth, most of Quake's assets are considered shareware, and can be distributed freely if not modified. Of course, this only applies to the first episode (while all 4 are unlocked on my server).
I'm still in the process of building a package using freely available assets, so the originals are considered placeholders in the meantime.

The code on those servers was ported from the GPL'ed Quake 1 source to Xonotic's codebase, so they are effectively Xonotic servers (unlike the Akimbo server, which is in fact running a hacked Nexuiz server).
You can view the code here: https://github.com/MarioSMB/modpack/tree.../mod/quake


Hope you enjoy your stay in Xonotic, more the merrier when it comes to modding!

I would care. For example, I don't like that Mario's servers run proprietary Quake assets and anyone who connects there commits copyright infringement. Also, some maps on "Jeff's vehicle warfare" server have some kind of proprietary content. Not to mention that almost all radio tracks are proprietary.

I completely agree aout the radio tracks. I stepped onto some weird CTS server a while ago and a constant stream of "radio" sound files were pushed to my client for no good reason. If I enjoyed mainstream music I would just listen to the radio. It's obnoxious.

My main issue with Hedgewars is that there is no automatic way of sharing content. The game is p2p and there is no way for host to transmit mods to other players. So, in the end I play with bots usually. No for the strategy but for pure unfiltered violence.

Yeah that's true. Although the mod we had was for our own entertainment only, which made synching up our versions pretty easy. I remember our ambition to disable the turn based aspects of the game, but that was far too much work if I remember correctly. Still, great game and lots of fun with friends for sure.

However, I have stumbled on this thread. It worries me because I have 0.8.1 client, I see those servers in my server list and I see nothing wrong with those servers. Sure, they are not the best but whoever hosts them did nothing wrong. Btw the same developer - Mario - who banned those servers hosts Quake 1 servers on the Xonotic master server. So if you're not a dev you can't host other games, if you are - sure?

I plan to host my own modded servers which will not feel like vanilla Xonotic and I don't want them to be banned.

Its simple when those servers switch to using Xonotic as their server software base then they'll welcome other wise fuck them. Since they have no desire to run Xonotic code, contribute back to Xon and mostly want to steal the user base, again fuck em.

Hello and welcome to the forums. I think you'll be happy to find many members of this community are users of GNU+Linux, and other FOSS software. Many even hold a similar ideology to you when it comes to the four essential freedoms.

I understand your point here, but I don't think that's the right terminology to use. Limiting a master server list to only unaltered servers doesn't make the product proprietary. The game is still free and open source under a variety of licenses! You can still mod it until your heart is content, but the team is under no obligation to show it in their master server if you do so.

But this basically removes freedom 1 - freedom is study and modify the source code of the program. With multiplayer games, master server is usually the only way to attract players to your server. Banning modding kills the mod scene.

As far as I understand it, the master server is a service being offered free that runs FOSS software.

Your argument is that losing exposure to modded servers limits a users freedom. While that may be an unintended side-effect, the user hasn't lost any freedoms granted by the license, the code is still free to study, modify and run.

Xonotic Mods are far from banned.